*That should have read historical figures not historical characters! That she could feel no affection for the man she was forced to marry, a man who could never feel anything for her and who also raped her, is not at all surprising (even while considering that marital rape was acceptable at that time). In any case, Philippe is Louis victim but definitely NOT Henriettes. Sad to hear well have to wait a year for the next season Are there similar shows to this you could recommend? But I still dont get why he doesnt just dob them both in.? but the show never uses his name, referring to him only as his title of Chevalier, probably to avoid confusion . Bontemps is a little freaked: Th-this is highly irregular, your Majesty. But the IDGAF expression on the Queens face is priceless. The two Ms still fight, and Louis approaches, holding the poker. Rumourwent that he sent the poison to Effiat in retaliation for Henriette having him banished. When we are far away, we must make him believe we are near. throughout the show, we see Louis attempts to belittle and emasculate Philippe. and especially when he proved himself in battle and all of Paris cheered him and adored him. He expressed his doubts to the grief-stricken Charles II, who earnestly believed that his sister had been murdered. Now, seeing as sister-in-law wasnt even a thing then, this would be like actually shagging your sister. Feel free to comment if any details are wrong. Trusting Philippe and involving him in the running of France would make him a better, stronger king. Her intent is not to hurt Philippe by sleeping with Louis, she simply doesnt care (and I dont blame her). When we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away. Montespan banters but Louis doesnt bite. You admit her situation is unfair and certainly, she is powerless where her husband (and Louis) are concerned and yet, simply because of the screwed up thinking of the day, the thinking that removed a womans personhood and reduced her to mere property, she is the villain for not being able to love a man who ignores her and rapes her? And who can blame her? Ridicule. And before we can check ourselves and reach for the tissues, the priest murmurs, Amen and Philippes expression tightens, his head gently shaking before he steps away from the bed, leaving Louis there. She has no one to keep him at bay but the king, if he chooses. We defended our position from the Spanish all morning and in honour of your distinguished service. Again, so so love your words. I first read your reviews right after watching the entire series and then again after recently rewatching all 30 ep again. A letter from the King of Sweden has arrived, telling Louis he has agreed to break his alliance with the Dutch and support the French. OMG he hits Marchal across the face with the candlestick, Louis lunges, Montcourt throws him off and the King smacks his head on a table. Learn how your comment data is processed. NOT I dont want you to die, (that comes later) she says my problems cannot be solved, you know that. Way to avoid his question. There was no indication of poisoning, so death was attributed to cholera morbus caused by corrupt and boiling bile, which had led to gangrene in the entrails and other parts of the lower abdomen. Louis paranoia about his little brother is completely unfounded. Lovely. Yes, it was the thinking of that time but wouldnt that make her a victim of circumstances, rather to be pitied than villified? Music. This was served to Henriette by her unsuspecting maid. You dont get to my age and experience with your naivete still intact. But lets compare: Henriette is jealous. She could not affect change herself. You really point out a lot of details one might miss when watching the episodes for the first time. Then he calls for the Guards. Of course, nothing happened and the doctors said colic but nine hours later, she was dead. Her confessor, however, urged her to accuse no one but to make her death an offering to God. I do think it is out-of-character for the Philippe we know and love on the show, not just historically inaccurate, to force himself on her. No context is provided about who he is, no indication he is married. It ended up working even better than planned and within a very short amount of time, Louis fell for Louise de la Valliere who was originally meant to be a decoy but became his first official royal mistress. People lived for it, and reputations and lives could be ruined with one well-placed rumour. Montcourts eyes drop to Louis hand and suddenly he pulls a knife. then goes into the bedchamber. When you see Fabien going to find the missing Charlotte, you see him visualising the scenario he holds up his hand, points his fingers in the shape of a gun to see how the angle would project. I guess in summary, I saw more nuance and non-verbal cues with Philippe that made him a more sympathetic character. They talk about whats happening Marchal is questioning people, and Sophie was taken in that morning. She was 26. for all of these. Versailles (TV Series 2015-2018) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. Pale and in obvious distress, she was put to bed, but her pains were so severe that she believed she must have been poisoned and asked for an antidote. What the king wants, the king gets. yet so satisfying to watch because.. yeah. Obviously he loves Chevalier. Speculation that Henriette had been poisoned began straight away. I do like that though they have their disagreements, Bontemp genuinely respects Fabien, and despite his anger, I think Louis does too. Both of them were in love with other people when they were forced to marry and they both were aware of that. Beating your wife was also quite legal, acceptable and, indeed, expected. However, the bible does say something about a man being expected to marry his brothers widow. Louis stares out the window in the antechamber, servants bring in food, but Marchal suspects poisoning and sends it back until its safety can be confirmed. The French musical Le Roi Soleil is always great to watch. Philippe loves and is loyal to his brother and only wants Louis to allow him to support him. Its just that his anger and upset (and yes, jealousy I think) affects him so much, because its just another way for his brother to control and belittle him, make him less. We see Louis expression crumple, and he blinks, almost disbelievingly, and then Philippe is out the door. Only 4 of his children grew up, and even then, another died at 27. The rape scene was repugnant and Phillipes actions were out of character with the Phillipe we saw in the rest of the season. She later dies in her bed. The first time we see Philippe is with his lover. Brilliant writing. And what better way to keep Louis safe than have his Head of Security plant one of his spies in his bed? Philippe has no interest in Henriette, is not attracted to her or in love with her. How accurate is Netflix Versailles? They could not be more different in this moment. So do I believe that our enemies would dare to poison King Charles of Englands sister? Henriette wasnt asking the king to hire a hit on Philippe. Except, when hes really angry and he rapes her. Ive addressed each of your points, but it has run very long and I dont know if it will post in the comments section or not. She seems like she has genuinely been brought in as a main character simply to drive the wedge deeper between Louis and Philippe, but not contribute anything herself to most of her scenes! Montcourt to Marchal: You are a fool. Louis replies: And you are a MURDERER! Montcourt continues with the wrong man thing, but Louis will have none of it. See above comments about Henriettes powerlessness as a woman. Who poisoned Henriette in Versailles? I kind of doubt it). Louis persists. Even if I ignore the historical figures behind the show and what I know of their real lives, I cant ignore the historical setting or the social arena in which the show is played. Her husband is openly gay and has no problem flaunting it in the public. Louis is greeted by Bontemps in his chambers, who enquires about Henriettes health. Yes, of course its common knowledge that Louis is shagging Henriette. It would be an outrageous thought. I was never a fan of the character of Henriette, I just cant see how she wronged Philippe more than he did her. Her mother (a french princess) is dead, and shes alone, probably the only English in the palace. Is anyone else hoping Fabien takes her under his wing? The rape thing was upsetting. Nup. As to it appearing that it seems like it almost never happened. (We wont even go into whether or not that maid wanted to be drug into the bedroom by Philippe after his jealous strop with the Chevalier or his sneaking into Louises bed. BRILLIANT acting. I have never posted a comment on your website before and this will be the first time that I have ever written a comment here.
Henrietta of England - Wikipedia The one with Henriette's return, the rules of etiquette and the Spooks), it was no surprise when this drama arrived with a hearty dollop of sex, violence, tension, and intrigue. At a Mass said for her soul, Bishop Bossuet conveyed the sense of shock at her sudden death: Oh, disastrous night; oh, dreadful night, in which resounded like a clap of thunder the unbelievable words Madame is dying Madame is dead!. And our enemies have stopped at nothing to destroy it. Lot of time on my hands at the momentLULZ. There was an attempt on her life before. When we are the kings enemy, we must make him believe we are his friend. Henriette has become seriously ill, it might be poison and she is the sister of the King of England. The camera then cuts to Rohan, drinking and brooding in his room, absently stabbing the table with a knife as he glares at a portrait of Louis-as-a-boy (which is a gorgeous portrait and includes Philippe, apparently in a private collection and attributed to artist Charles Beaubrun. I cannot permit it, he says. A European history-geek friend told me about this show yesterday, so I binge watched the entire series. Josephine Wilkinson is an academic and author. He genuinely believes Philppe is a potential threat. It was total and raw and real and I wept long and bitter tears for him. And were never coming back. The Chevalier makes the sign of the Cross (like the good Catholic he is), sweeps a look across the room to Cassel? The Queen rushes to her side as she collapses and Louis commands Bontemps to fetch his doctor. But his family and France are divided. Called it!) We now see Philippe, so resigned, with tears down his cheeks, then Louis with a no, this is NOT happening. look on his face, eyes still dry. Because no one knows that Cassel is one of the conspirators (and UGH I dont know WHY the Chevalier just didnt tell Marchal or Louis???) Marchal is surprised but pleased: attracting the flies to the paper. You are both the angels at my shoulder, says Louis, which reminds Marchal of the Parthenays and Montcourt. His grip tightens on the poker, even as Montcourt looks actually shocked at that accusation. Also, Louiss eyes are wet earlier than you recount, namely in the first shot after she says can you hear the flowers? But it is kept behind closed doors. Incest or homosexuality? What if the poison spreads? Some were obviously written for massive impact. He sees Louis. Montcourt turns and quickly leaves. Just because women were denied their personhood does not mean they were not human beings who felt as any human being might feel. The mortality rate was very high, thats why people had so many children so often. Bontemps suddenly appears; Henriette has been calling. But she is human and she can feel jealousy and make inappropriate remarks at inappropriate moments. Finally, a scene with the Chevalier!!! Basically he can do what he wants, but she is not allowed to. Point 9: And again, who can blame her. As Mme de Svign wrote: She was taken ill and died within eight hours, and we have lost with her all the joy, all the charm and all the pleasures of the Court. Henriette says to Philippe: Im sorry. As she made her last confession, the English ambassador, Lord Montagu, asked Henriette if she believed she had been poisoned. Maybe that is where she got the poison she used on Fabien?, de Clermont went to a brothel to obtain poison and the love potion Lauren (Marchals henchwoman) tells him thats what she observed. But in context, with everything else going on in the show and with what Philippe deals with, I can understand why he did it. Thank you! They fear she might have been poisoned, so King Louis XIV shuts all access To Versailles. No one leaves. Louis looks stunned too.
He takes her hand and closes his eyes and for a moment he is vulnerable. Of his power, of his country. Philippe raping his wife. Ugh) and oh dear, the Chevalier looks so panicked, so worried by the Ducs appearance is it because he thinks people will start accusing him again of treason? Colbert and Louvois look considerably worried. did the male medicin drink the vial of poison accidentally or on purpose? She actually says I could never love you well which does change the context somewhat. He remembers too. But he will not be resting for long the door opens later and we see a pair of bare feet, the hem of a nightgown, both bloodied, as they enter. I also cannot figure out why Louis and others speak freely in front of the guards when even they are unsure of their loyalty.. I love these seemingly random yet distinct choices made by directors and production designers. Especially as her lover was the king. She also miscarries a baby that was either her husband Philippe's or the King's, no one is sure. Thatd do it. fantastic bog! Im glad you like my reviews And I will most definitely continue on with reviewing S2. When an autopsy was done (observed by 17 French doctors, two English physicians, the British ambassador and around 100 other onlookers) death was deemed to be from cholera morbus (gastroenteritis) caused by heated bile. The poor Chevalier, accused when he wasnt even there! Yet even on her deathbed, she reaches for Louiss hand first. Do you believe these women feel less pain and violation because the behaviour is condoned by the society in which they live? I thought so but no. My bed your last stop before retiring. First to Henriette, and after she was poisoned, to Elizabeth Charlotte, Princess of the Palatinate. In one of the episodes did we see Clermont messing with the doctors box of bottles. We see this SO MANY TIMES it becomes frustrating and sad. In every possible way. .. now, I am not saying that Colbert is implying Philippe poisoned his wife, but it sure sounds like it. I just wanna smash his smug ferret face. even if it turned out his brother was the poisoner. Admittedly, its in the middle of a shag, when she is distracted, but still. And even after watching both seasons 1 and 2 of Versailles, I wouldnt say that he loved her a lot but on the show it was to a certain degree. I think the problem with him is that we still miss a decent biography, taking into accounts ALL sources and not only the same, always the same stuff as Saint-Simon and such. Which one? Louis asks. Glad to see he lives on, at least for awhile. He is always the king, while Philippe gives his emotions (somewhat) free rein. My biggest problem with Henriette/Louis is that I find it highly doubtful that Louis would have sex with her. needless to say, all my writing is copyright to me, so don't be a dick and steal it. Its emotionless. But of course, she has no power to rid herself of him, so his death would be her only chance. And to Ainee for perspective. Just airing in the U.S. and Im having surgery Friday so I dont know if Ill catch it. As for Philippe, I cant make out what he is. It was Season 1. hes a critic, but there is another who has been hidden before us. A hundred years ago. Maybe that is where she got the poison she used on Fabien? Does she want to end things with Louis? Colbert looks a bit stunned. It is only since the end of the 20th centuary up to present day that wives can now shout rape, I know of a woman in the 60s that had a baby and had to be stitched, her husband cut her stitches out and raped her. Also it will set Louis in a collision with Phillipe who did not want his wife to go to England for the negotiations. One witness observed that Henriette looked like a dressed corpse upon whom someone had put some rouge, while others thought she had death painted on her face. Still with the playing of games, the half-truth words. I also read your discussion between yourself and Teresa about episode 10. I look forward to reading your reviews on the next series, when it comes out. It happened so fast, but did Fabien Marshal shoot Charlotte Parthanay, and if so, why? A yellow Spanish topaz, buried in the mud. #JesusTakeTheWheel What a scene. (its only 16mins and 50 seconds in not that I was counting *innocent whistle*) Filmed in the Chteau de Maisons in Maisons-Lafitte, in the Salon dHercule, he strides past Montcourt, demands to know what he is doing. After their conversation about stealing Philippes glory and the fact that Louis never liked sharing. There is no change. : . Photograph: BBC. But of course, she wants to know what happened to her mother in exchange for that information. Dance. So to me, this indicates hes still quite scared. We cut to the forest, to the two Kings Guards in their blue livery, leaning by a tree as Rohan and little Louis still mock fight. Anyways, he says: we cannot be seen together anymore. They could be far away from the victim at the time of death, so it would be difficult to definitively pin on anyone. I do understand you are a fan of Philippe, but I dont understand why that nessitates that Henriette be viewed as the villian. The opening episode of Versailles season two featured fortune tellers and laser beams. *Another side-note: When the Chavelier mentions that Louis does not look for beauty so much as character, umwas he talking about Henriette? Colbert tries to push his point when Louis enters. The door suddenly opens, Claudine walks sombrely in. Montcourt pauses its clear he recognises Rohans voice. Claudine looks sad: this must be frightening for her. By this point, Louis had basically forgotten about and gotten over Henriette though this was much to her displeasure and chagrin. Do you see them now? I will try, but I trust you wont publish it if you find it too long. Now that *would* be naive. However, Madeleine de Foix, Gaston's mother, defends her son at the salon, but when facing banishment, she stabs Fabien, almost killing him. Or twenty, I suppose. Just because the thinking of the day viewed a woman as mere property and not a person in her own right does not mean she isnt a human being with the same feelings and needs as any other.
Fact-checking Versailles: how historically accurate is the BBC drama? And, more importantly, Henriette NEVER RAPED Philippe. More of an extreme sadness at his wifes pain. I think we see fairly good evidence in episode 7 that not only does Philippe support his brother, but that he is honestly frightened of the idea of running the country and has no desire to take his brothers place (his anger at being overlooked for the regency is more due to his hurt that no one supports him or takes him seriouslyhis experience all his life). Is he for or against le roi? We learn that she has loved Louis since they were children. Yet you heard nothing. Is he justified in knocking her across the room? *Disclaimer* I do not own any of the audio or footage included in this. Hi Laura! However there is a new addition, a large portrait of Louis now hanging on wall near the door (replacing a previous smaller ND painting of flowers). The characters almost act as it never happened. Both felt neglected by the other. Claudine and Philippe converse, with Claudine saying she feels they are not through the worst. apparently it is still not safe. However, lets assume they are both equally dire sins.
Versailles recap: episode eight - from la petite mort to une grande Louis drops the poker, approaches Montcourt. She is used by the king to hurt his brother. And just like that, the light dims in his eyes, his face twists and his zealotry is gone. I choose to believe it was a mistake on the writers part and will simply fast forward over it when I rewatch. Philippe had stillborn twins and a daughter, a son who died at 2 and one at 4, plus two miscarriages. And she was having an affair with the Comte de Guiche. Is that understood? and pushes past them. And in the context of the show, I did find it a nice touch, the apology to him. In the early hours of 30 June, she died. No wonder Philippe feels the need to claim what is his. And c) to show the resentment Philippe has for his wife, a woman whom he has to share with his brother, and he cannot do a damn thing about it. Arguably, as a man, it was within Philippes power to end his relationship easily enough whereas Henriette, a woman, would very possibly not have had that same power. The Dauphin. And I do not regret it for an instant. Like he is trying to justify himself. P.S. Lulz. But Montespan kind of brushes it off with, Yes, I would do the same. She is hurt, nonetheless. Having spent the first episode ripping their kit off at any opportunity, the court of Versailles has taken an oath of chastity. And we came here for a visit. Marchal is cool: I am not here to answer you. Sophie is equally cool: Then neither am I. He suggests she reconsider, that she has her life to lose if she doesnt. Such was the hygiene of 17th century France. Mainly wanted to know about Chevalier after last weeks tearful declaration of love. Oh, and was it common in this era to talk about new marriages literally 2 minutes after your wife/husband died? Hi, Yet how much pain are you willing to endure before you get what you want? Cue some fabulous visuals of doors closing, pikes crossing, the golden gates slamming shut and locking. Now we are with Marchal, who is interrogating Henriettes ladies, Sophie included. A page for describing Characters: Versailles. But unlike Philippe, Henriette never snogged her lover obnoxiously right there in the same room with him. Then he says I pay you to spy on others, not on me. . Back with Marchal, interrogating Louvois this time. Whats wrong? Louis and Philippe approach the bed, to the dying Henriette who looks really bad. again, another shagging time between Henriette and Louis, when Louis friends have been murdered and she mentions the fact she was jealous of the dead woman. Your question misses the question, Montcourt replies cryptically. The Henriette thing is just one more on the heaping pile of shit. Philippe is clearly shocked and my heart is just going HHHHHHHGGGGNNNNN. Princess Henriette was born on 16 June 1644, on the eve of the Second Battle of Newbury during the Civil War, at Bedford House in Exeter, a seat of William Russell, 5th Earl of Bedford (1613-1700), who had recently returned to the Royalist side.
Versailles 2015 TV series, shows/cartoon,anime,magma/Documentaries These scenes are odd for me to watch, but by now, I have totally put aside any frustration when the show deviates from what I know of the actual history. Then he turns and suddenly a Man In a Mask is standing there. To bring them over to us. Season Two Mike and the last of Rohans men are massacred in a last stand by the musketeers, led by Fabien Marchal. First off, let me preface my response with the qualifier that I know very little about the historical figures on which these characters are based. But, this is my interpretation or thoughts based on the real life events. I couldnt honestly say. Henriette wanted to go!). This moment echoes the first from the opening scene in Episode One, where the traitors rush in on the pretext of getting Louis safely away.